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robert mcgarrigle
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Posted - 01/08/2010 :  14:55:00  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Joe I simply magnified the photo as I said of the Burman photo in Keith McMenomy's "Authentic Illustrated Story" to 400 percent. Those 2 trees with white trunks on the rise does have something lying on the ground, but I would not have called it a log. I am looking forward to see your markings Joe. While on the subject of the same photo Glen Standing points out in his second photo that there is no slope to the south. I totally disagree with that assumption as there is no evidence in either photo whatsoever. Looking to the top of each photo the skyline is marked by trees right along to the south. These trees are certainly not that tall and could not be growing from the lower level. The skyline with these trees shown to me proves that the slope continues on.
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Glenn Standing
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Posted - 01/08/2010 :  15:21:20  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hello Robert,

My main point of the photo images is to clearly point out why the two hut site cannot fit the Burman images. There is a slope on the south side at that location. But the fire place distances and angles do not fit as I have demonstrated. I will give a more detailed response regarding the images later today. Cheers Glenn




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Posted - 01/08/2010 :  16:46:44  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit Sheila Hutchinson's Homepage  Reply with Quote
1st August 2010

Hi Robert and All

It is up to Heritage Victoria to change the listing and they will only do so when (if) they are satisfied that the Police Camp location is undoubtedly on the west side of the creek and the area they deem to be the actual site has been proven beyond reasonable doubt.

There is no doubt Heritage Victoria’s process of recognising the overwhelming evidence that the Police camped on the west side of the creek would be made a lot easier if everyone who has had the opportunity to research the area using all of the relevant material that is now available and modern technology had come to the same conclusion of where the actual Police camp is instead of pinpointing areas that are poles apart.

No matter how you look at it any change to the Heritage Victoria listing isn’t going to happen overnight.

Question: I wonder if you went through Ian Jones’ research on the Police Camp location, step by step, using only the material he used would have you came to the conclusion he did ??

Sheila
 
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Glenn Standing
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Posted - 01/08/2010 :  18:04:36  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote

Regarding my recent post. Burman images and fire place demensions etc.


In my initial posting on the 29th June. I pointed out that the fire place positions as they are today do not fit the Burman images.



Hut 1 at the two hut site is facing almost due East. By using the Burman images we can use the 2 posts to obtain the East/West and North/South angles.
(This is assuming that the fire place of Hut 1 is next to the standing figure.) By using these angles along with the current fire place distances and angle it is clear that Hut 2 would be well behind and to the left of the seated figure. No where near the Hut 2 fire place in the Burman image.

I believe that this has now been clearly demonstrated by using the Burman images along with Bill’s scaled layout.
The two huts site does not fit the scene

South as also demonstrated would be on the left side of the Burman images. This being the case then there is no slope looking South in the Burman images.
If the Burman images were taken looking South then the slope would be on the West. Adjacent to the current road.

I would now ask that Bill acknowledges and accepts this as fact.

The two fire places as they are positioned today do not ft the Burman images therefore they cannot be used as evidence.


Using the same scenario. If the tent was pitched on the West side.

Regarding McIntyre’s position when the Kelly’s advanced from the spear grass.

He stated that he had his back to the advancing men facing the fire when the men advanced.

I pose the question. In this scenario would he not be facing the advancing men?

Regards, Glenn
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robert mcgarrigle
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Posted - 01/08/2010 :  18:29:15  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hi again Sheila, as I have only been trying to locate the correct SBC site since 2003 or 2004 the answer to your question is probably no. Ian explains on his dvd that he always believed the site near the Kelly tree or near it was the correct spot and did so for many years. He said that the gold sleuthing had probably changed the terrain. However you know like we all do, that he did change his mind to the east bank. I also along with many others including a majority of forum members also changed their minds and have switched back to the west bank theory. I haven't based my reasoning on anyone's previous correspondence whether official or not. My eyes only told me after my second visit that the eastern bank just wasn't the correct one and as you can see on here it is pretty unanimous. I can assure you Sheila I made my own mind up long before Bill and I corresponded with one another and Bill will confirm to you that has only been recently. The only people on this forum that I have discussed the SBC matter with privately have been your good self very briefly, Bill and Fitzy. So in answer to your question Sheila I have relied on my own eyesight and the Burman Photos with the slope in the background. The way Heritage Victoria acts I'll probably be pushing up daisies by the time they do make a decision. You only have to look at the disgraceful way that Pentridge and Beechworth prisons heritage have been handled by them. Thanks again Sheila for putting me in the picture, Regards Bob

Joe thanks for the Burman Photo blowups. I  guess you and I just have a different interpretation of logs, I can assure you my better half has referred to me as the same on many occasions.

 
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Posted - 01/08/2010 :  21:12:26  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit bill denheld's Homepage  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  Delete Reply
Glenn,
If I was to make some points and questions regarding your pictures with notes as above, and if I were to convince you and the readers you were wrong, would you be prepared to acknowledge you were wrong?

Please reply to this request and I don't want a 'maybe' or it all depends on this or that. Only a straight Yes or No will do.

This is a serious debate that deserves a high level of intelligence that I know the majority of readers on this forum are more than capable of.
Bill
 
PS, edited to say [b]'more than[/b] capable of' because the tone of this debate seemed to more about trivial nit picking without facing the real issues.
 
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Posted - 01/08/2010 :  21:24:37  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Yes, Bill I will. If you will do the same,
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robert mcgarrigle
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Posted - 01/08/2010 :  21:35:13  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
A high level of intelligence, well that certainly rules me out Glenn and Bill. To those of you going to the Beechworth weekend have a great time you lucky people.

Edited by - robert mcgarrigle on 01/08/2010 21:36:02

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Posted - 01/08/2010 :  22:51:47  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Robert, It distresses me that such comment can be made to which you have responded.
Mr Denheld seems unfortunately to either have a poor way with expression or does in fact think that some (the minority) are not capable of participating in this debate.
Lets retain for present the benefit of the doubt to the latter of these two alternatives.
Please do not leave this debate.
Your views are as important as all others.
Thomas.

 

 
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Posted - 02/08/2010 :  02:46:13  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit bill denheld's Homepage  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  Delete Reply
Glenn,
Let us assume Burman took his first photo No1 looking dead South.

He then decided his first view was not quite right and decided to take another shot from a slightly different angle.

Which way would he have moved his tripod and camera to take Photo No2 . Left or Right ?

And then which way did he TURN his camera - Left or Right ?

ANSWER,
From the information contained within the photo, Burman moved his tripod to the right still looking south and turned his camera to the LEFT for photo No2.

Your Note says the image is looking South West, but rather this is incorrect as this view direction would be looking South Easterly.

Glenn, my pencil sketch below should show where you maybe looking the wrong way. The red array is Burman photo2



And thus the fireplace as you have identified in Burman No1 photo would actually be behind and near the middle big tree in Burman photo2, and not as you indicate by your notation 'out to the far left of the image'. Quote, " Hut 2 Fire Place Back Here Some Where. No Where Near The Fire Place In The Burman1 Image"
Both photos No1 and No2 would have been taken looking generally south with an overlap variation of up to 20 degrees,

Please see my scale map wherein I have used your measurements and compass bearings to locate the fireplaces as you had provided.
I acknowledge perhaps my coloured Burman photo arrays may need to swing more to the south east.
But contrary to how you have your noted picture the second North facing hut fireplace is definitely well within the Burman photo No2.
Bill

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Posted - 02/08/2010 :  10:16:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Joe we have been asked to say thank you for your kind offer to guide us.

There is something in the Burman photographs that our science teacher pointed out to us, that’s the angle of the trees that are there today compared to what was there in 1880.

In the Burman photograph the trees are either mainly vertical or leaning to the left, today they lean to the right, also the hut post leans to the Left.

Trees grow mainly towards the sun or the most sunlight, they also grow against gravity, they also grow towards vertical against the angle of a hill.



These lean to the Left


These lean to the Left


These lean to the right or North

 

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robert mcgarrigle
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Does anyone know if there is a record of what time the re-enactment photos were taken? In March this year my brother Terry and I walked the whole scene and while walking back from the current site to the camping ground the sun lay to the northeast of us. What really baffles me is that in the wider view Burman photo to me the sun appears to be to Mr McIntyre's left (NE or NW) or near to the top of the left hand side of the photo. What Poorflour states is also correct as I was also told this at school, can't remember who told me though. Depending on if the slope is to the west or the east, I believe the photos would have been taken mid morning or after 3pm..Does anyone else in the forum think that the sun is near the top left of the photo or is it simply just the bright sky?. All the experts say that the standing figure is facing south but if that is the sun in the photo and the trees do seem to be facing that way, wouldn't that make it impossible? He would be facing north. I know this is from the left field but I honestly think that is the sun to the ne or nw. As we now have the reincarnated Mr McIntyre now with us, please Mc where is the sun and when were the photos taken? All in good fun I know but is that you sitting on the log in the photo. Welcome back Poorflour and it is great to see that Bill and Glenn MAY put their heads together and work on the same side.

 
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Posted - 02/08/2010 :  15:25:08  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hi Bill,

Perhaps you have misunderstood what I am endeavoring to demonstrate.

I have no problem with the camera angles. They are pretty much as you have drawn them.

I do disagree with the Hut 2 fire place location as you would have it. In order to fit the Burman images the Hut 2 fire place would need to be some distance behind the central tree.

What I am demonstrating is the area where the Hut 2 fire place would have to be within the Burman images.

By following your suggested Hut 1 fire place position. (Near the standing figure)

We know this Hut faces almost due East.

As you have said previously. Your scaled drawing could be a little bit out.

You have done an excellent job with the layout. But things can be moved around a little here and there. It can be too open for debate. So for the time being I have chosen to ignore the scaled drawing and use the Burman images themselves. Primary evidence.

We can obtain the NSEW co ordinates by using the 2 posts which would then be the side of Hut 1. Same method for the end of the hut. As I have done.

By using these co ordinates along with the known layout & distances of the two fire places. The Hut 2 fire place would be some where near to or at the large tree behind the seated figure. Far left side of Burman 1 image. This tree is not in the Burman 2 image.

Hut 2 fire place would be out of view to the left of the Burman 1 image.

Possibly in view in the Burman 2 image. But not visible.

In fact. The Hut 2 fire place would be no where near the Hut 2 fire place in the Burman images.

Using the same scenario. Suggested Hut 1 fire place location.

If we look straight down the Burman 2 image we would be looking towards the SW.


Once again I say that the two hut fire places do not fit the scene.

1 would have thought I have clearly demonstrated this in my previous posting but can further demonstrate this if need be. I admit though, I am rather hopeless at attaching images. Computers are not my friends.

Regards,
Glenn
 
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Posted - 02/08/2010 :  15:52:21  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit bill denheld's Homepage  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  Delete Reply
Hello All,
I am afraid my digital camera that took the image is at fault.
I had noticed quite some time ago that there was a lean to the right of the trees in all my recent shots.
To show what I mean.

South east at the current site east bank



East from the picnic ground


South westerly from near the Kelly tree but more south of it

PoorFlour, As your teacher points out, - trees do follow the sun and are affected by ground slope and compensation for a lean as the tree wants to remain stable.
Early on (2002) Gary Dean also observed the lean of the trees in the Burman photos. Perhaps we need to do some tests using a laser level to check all the trees
along SBC west bank to see if there is a leaning trend. One positive but impractical way would be for you to climb up all the tall tree trunks and drop a plumb bob to expose the lean.

Does anyone want to buy a cheap camera ? Seems the lens mechanism on retractable lenses on digital cameras can get out of alignment being the cause for the leaning trees.
Reading a book on early cameras of the 1870's I see the lens and photo plates were connected through a flexible concertina mechanism where a lens mount
could be moved around to make corrections and reduce the projected image being distorted.
We will never know if the Burman photos also suffered from the leaning tree syndrome.
And yes Bruce, you are right photos do lie !

Robert, at my webpage http://www.denheldid.com/twohuts/story.html#Story3 Burman photo2 orientation I had long ago concluded it was looking south purely from
photo details. Looking at a large image see the shadow details on foreground branches, the light and dark side on the draped fabric, Mc's hat and boots, the photographers camera case
all show the predominant light coming from the upper Right hand side of the photo. In the Burman photo2, it was these saplings lying horizontally that looked like a little fence on a slope
that led Gary Dean and myself to explore the west bank for clues to human interference to the terrain. It was then that I stumbled over the overgrown fireplace rocks of the first hut.
Robert, When you walked back from the east bank site, you say the sun was from the North East. That means on your right most of the time ?
The standing figure according to McIntyre was Kennedy approaching the camp from the N. West from elevated ground to Mc's left.

Bill
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Posted - 02/08/2010 :  16:06:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

With this new photograph it is easy to see the logs where the fire was.
Log 1 and 4 are the same tree because of the taper.
Log 3 is just a small log rolled in close.
Log 2 is the North South log just as Mcintyre shows on his map , you can also see the right angles formed by Logs 4 and 2.
Log 2 interesects 1 and 4.








Just like the Mcintyre map.

Edited by - poorflour on 02/08/2010 18:18:59

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Posted - 02/08/2010 :  16:47:16  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Out of interest I have a question.

Where does the log which lays behind the center tree end up? This log can be seen in both Burman images.
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Posted - 02/08/2010 :  17:39:57  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Poorflour, I don't know what you mean about the photos being taken between the siege and the trial. The Burman photos were taken just after the shoot out in 1878 not as late as 1880.You are correct in saying that the sun would be in a different position when I visited in March. I will have to visit there one day in October the month of the shooting. I wasn't asking Joe about the logs on the ground, I was asking Joe about logs on the slope in the right of one of the photos. Joe kindly showed me what he referred to as logs on that slope which I could not see from Keiths book. As far as the logs on the foreground you maybe correct but the two that you have marked 1 and 4 could be the same log and in one piece. If that damn stupid stump wasn't there we would know for sure. Thanks Poorflour for answering my question. Your photo along with Joes seems a lot clearer than the ones shown in the books that I have.

Yes Bill the sun was always in front of us to the right and we both agree that it is NE. This was why I asked the question of the Burman photo as I thought the glow in the left of the photo might be the sun and thus would be the north. I remember someone on your forum page a couple of years ago asking a similar question and I can see why he also thought the same as I.

Bruce what do you think of arranging a visit to SBC on the anniversary of the shootout in October.I would certainly come down from Sydney if it meant we could all meet fellow forum members and we could kill 2 birds with the one stone. We could visit all the sites we think might be the spot and get to put faces to each other. I am sure then we could talk to each other face to face and give a chance to everyone to throw in their ideas. I know this would all depend on the weather and the numbers that would like to participate. This is only an idea from the Mexican of the North.
 
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Posted - 02/08/2010 :  21:54:08  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hello again Robert. Its good to see you didn't take to heart the comment of Mr Denheld.
Now your question of: "As we now have the reincarnated Mr McIntyre now with us,please Mc where is the sun and when were the photos taken?".
Well Robert, as you know I was not at the photography session so I am sorry I cannot say much except that the cameras used back then, and indeed for decades later, did not come with all the fancy gadgetry to allow for light, close-up, far away, speeding animals and so forth to be allowed for in taking a photograph.
But I can say that good photographers of the day tried as much as possible to be able to do their alfresco work on clear sunny days and during the hours of best sunlight which of course will be subject to the location in the country, indeed the world.
In those neck of the woods in which we are concentrating, and the time of year, I would suggest that between the hours of around the 11 am to 3 pm would be the best for the photographer.The sun would be above the tree canopy line and the higher period in the sky as it approached noon would be the most ideal.

Oh, I and my riding colleagues have been able to have a good laugh today (and we needed one as the inclement weather recently in the ranges has made our riding expedition a little cold and wet).
The leaning trees indeed.
We have wondered if only trees are affected by this most interesting phenomenon allegedly caused by use of the new fandangled digital contraptions. And now we have also been posed the question that Mr Burman may also have been similarly affected by the leaning tree syndrome.
We do hope it has afflicted only those who have chosen to photograph trees.
Perhaps others may have a similar experience and can share their leaning trees (which perhaps are in fact leaning in the real bush) photographs within this forum? (We also have discussed how that tower in Pisa would have looked in a photograph).
In mirth and amazement, I remain your humble correspondent.
Thomas.
 

 
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Posted - 02/08/2010 :  23:51:29  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Hi Robert,

I agree with you about a visit to SBC in October. I did raise this with Thomas McIntyre in an earlier posting if he would still be in this life in October to show all concerned the 'exact location of the police camp'(LOL).

I would be in on it also as I would be travelling down from Sydney. I am hoping to go to SBC this week as I am driving to Melbourne tomorrow and hope to meet with Joe later this week. Did you get my email Joe about advising me of your mobile number?

 

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Posted - 02/08/2010 :  23:56:25  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Mr McIntyre in no way was I offended by Bills comments, I was only having a joke with him. I have rather thick skin and I know some people take Bill the wrong way as you appear to do also but believe me he is a good bloke. He has helped many people over the years, you only have to look at his feedback section on his website. He has provided maps and a lot of good advice to many people. Bill was responsible for me contacting one of my missing cousins and I will be eternally grateful to him for doing so.
Thank you Thomas Mc for answering the questions that I put to you. However in the photo case I believe you may be telling porkies or you may have a slight case of dementia. Most of the books that I have read say that the man sitting on the log was probably you. However I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

To our new member poorflour, I see that today you were using the computer during school hours? I do hope that you were not wagging it?I must admit in primary school I also did skip a day or two myself. If my dad found out and he didn't by the way ,he would have given me a good tanning. I was real cunning, I actually wrote my own absentee note and got away with it too. I guess the nuns at St Gabriels were easy to fool or maybe they knew what I was up too and turned a blind eye.



 

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Posted - 03/08/2010 :  00:20:18  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit bill denheld's Homepage  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  Delete Reply
Glenn,
I asked you a question at the offset,
 

quote:


I asked you, " If I was to make some points and questions regarding your pictures with notes as above,
and if I were to convince you and the readers you were wrong, would you be prepared to acknowledge you were wrong?
 



I provided you with a set of four step drawings in the form of V s as per the construction of the two Burman photos.
Click here to see them again http://pixmaker.com.au/twohuts/images/burmanphotoorientation4step.jpg

Section 4 text makes the point "The fireplace in Burman1 Photo IS CENTRAL to Burman 2 " photo

Glenn, your reply to me was this -

quote:


I do disagree with the Hut 2 fire place location as you would have it.



If you agree Hut2 fireplace it is in Burman1 photo1, it is also in Burman2 photo - behind the central big tree.

Answer my question like you said you would,, ( Quote 01/08 " Yes, Bill I will. If you will do the same,")

Glenn, DO you see where the fireplace sits near the middle of the two red lines in the pencil sketch (4)

Do you now agree sketch step4 is basically correct. If not, Will you now tell the readers why you disagree with the red lines overlay on Burman1 photo - as per my sketch and why would the fireplace have moved from the original position for the second photo Burman made ?
Please answer the question.

Bill

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AND LAST,
Mr McAndtyred, why are you hiding behind poor Mr McIntyre. Shame on you.
He is not here to defend himself. We don't believe in re incarnation and the only thing you are doing is picking nits on others.
You seem to have plenty so why don't you start picking your own. We all notice your style and occasionally you have a kind word to a few forum members to make them feel good.
Sorry forum members, fun for a day but its time Kelvyn Gill comes out and shuts up with his nonsense.


 

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Posted - 03/08/2010 :  11:05:27  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Bill,

Your sketches tend to be a little like your camera. Not quite right.

Hence I am using the Burman images to demontrate where the Hut 2 fire place position would have to be.

As I have said I have no real problems with your camera angles. But do have problems with your Hut2 fire place location.

I refer back to my posting on the 1/8/10. Pic 3.

This I believe this clearly demontrates that the Hut 2 fire place would have to be located near the large tree on the left of the Burman image 2. That is if the Hut 1 fire place is where you have suggested.

Do you not agree with that?

I would ask fellow Forum readers to take a little time to study this image using the fire place dimensions given and judge for themselves.

Regards,

Glenn


 

 
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Posted - 03/08/2010 :  12:15:23  Show Profile  Email Poster  Visit bill denheld's Homepage  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  Delete Reply
Glenn, Open this again http://pixmaker.com.au/twohuts/images/burmanphotoorientation4step.jpg

DO you see where the fireplace sits near the middle of the two red lines in the pencil sketch (4)

The array lines represent the left and right margins /edges of both Burman photos.

Do you now agree sketch step4 is basically correct.

If you disagree, will you need to tell the readers why you disagree with the red lines overlaid on the Burman1 sketch (3)

See that the fireplace of hut2 is near the middle of the two red lines.

If you are not incapable of seeing the logic of this you had better give up.

Otherwise please answer the question. Do you agree the fireplace is near the middle of the two red lines.
Yes or No
 

 
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Posted - 03/08/2010 :  13:09:18  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Its good to see so many people interested in this problem.

Robert and Chris yes we could all have another day at SBC on Oct 26, sounds good, last time Brian came down from Sydney, others were there to.
I also spent another day at SBC on the 26 Oct a few years back, studying the amount of light that was there from about 5.00 pm onwards, as i was interested in the light during the gun battles, still have the notes here somewhere.


RE The tilting trees, it seems my new $1000 camera must be broken to, as you can see the trees tilt in my picture which was taken within a few mts of the northern fireplace looking back at the car parked on SBC road above the two fire places.
Poorflour if you want to put pretty pink lines on my piccy you can

pic1


Plants tilt Due to plant growth hormone, call auxins
Plants in nature have the ability to balance the presence of auxins in plant parts either in root tissue or shoot tissue.
At the same time auxins has negative effect against light.
Less auxins is detected on the side of the stems/branches facing the light source and this will slowed down the growth on this side of the stem, while the shadowed side, which contain higher concentration of auxins will grow faster.
The uneven growth rate of the stem/branch will cause the plant to bend and growing towards the sun, and not perpendicular to the surface of the earth where the plant is growing. IE hill.

 




If you want to see distortions in pictures look at Dans hands and fingers.

pic2


 





The bellows on the old camera's were to keep the light out, by 1880 dry plates were very popular, but you still had to manually focus the image on the plate under the black clothe, as in joes picture.
pic3


 

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Posted - 03/08/2010 :  16:43:52  Show Profile  Email Poster  Reply with Quote
Bill.

Yes. The fireplace in Burman 1 Photo IS CENTRAL to Burman 2.

The point I am making is that the fire place locations on your "scaled" drawing do not match the Burman images.

As I have demontrated on my posting 1/8/10.

The postions of two hut fire places do not match the Burman images.

Kindly aknowledge.






 
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