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Joe.D
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Australia
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 Posted - 07/07/2009 :
9:56:34 PM 
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All,
For some time now I have been researching the SBC murder site,
and some of you are aware of my findings. I’ve kept my research
under wraps for obvious reasons, until now; I have contacted
Bill Denheld some two weeks back to help me clear up a few bits
and pieces which I found quite puzzling.
Since last speaking with Bill over the phone I have had the
opportunity to present my theory, being my observations of the
Burman photo & comparing it to the current murder site. I just
couldn’t place the current murder site with that of the Burman
photo;
http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/ncentury/gid/slv-pic-aaa04005
Without saying to much Bill Kindly presented me with a Document
that was handed out to all those that attended the 2009 siege
dinner in Glenrown. Bill acknowledged my theory and then
continued to explain the NEW FINDINGS of the investigation
towards the police camp killing site.
A party of 5 have been steadily working and piecing together the
mystery surrounding the facts of the police camp site and have
eventually come up with four possible sites; however, further
work is required to prove which of the four sites, is in fact
the true site.
Here is a snippet of the above mentioned document.
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INVESTIGATION of the site of the POLICE CAMP
at STRINGYBARK CREEK.
Over recent months, and from earlier work, there has been an
extensive examination to validate the location of the Police
camp site at Stringybark Creek.
The conclusion reached is that the site of the police camp was
on the
Western side of Stringybark Creek.
The side which had generally been accepted as correct until the
mid 1990s.
Why must the camp have been on the Western side?
Thomas Newman McIntyre:
The sole survivor of the four man Mansfield Police party that
set up camp at Stringybark Creek whilst out on patrol to locate
and apprehend the Kellys.
He was a member of the search party later sent to locate and
recover the bodies of the three slain policemen.
The Crown witness at Ned’s Beechworth committal hearing and
later Ned’s murder trial in the Melbourne Central Criminal
Court, and -
A few years later penning his memoirs.
McIntyre describes the location of the camp:
“we found the remains of a hut there and the country thickly
timbered -
where we camped there was an opening - a few logs being about.
“selected a clear place near an old burnt hut
“we camped in a tent a few yards behind the old hut.
“the open ( ground) I speak of did not cover more than an acre
or two,
“our tent was pitched near the north west corner of this
clearing which was partly natural and partly caused by
human agency
“the entrance to the tent was facing east and also the
creek which was about seventy yards distant.
“Standing at the tent entrance and facing the creek
there was upon the left front a felled tree nearly 4 ft in
diameter, at the thickest part. It lay nearly east and west.
and much more -------- ------- -------
The conclusion drawn from this work so far is the identification
of two areas-
One located south of the picnic ground, close to or on the
Stringybark Creek road, and in close proximity to the position
of the second Kelly tree, and -
the second site - the location of the Two huts fireplaces some
200 metres south.
While the Kelly tree site is supported by much of McIntyre’s
written text, the site of the two huts fireplaces is supported
by the two Burman photos.
Further investigations at the two western bank sites are to be
studied using Photogrammetry and Geomatics conducted by
Melbourne University. (see map below 2A, 2B and 3A and 3B,)
A comprehensive paper, now being prepared, will be released soon
and will be provided to the Victorian Government agencies
involved in the Stringybark Creek precinct heritage register
classification process and the precinct’s tourist development
work.
Please visit webpage to see maps and images of the extensive
investigation being carried out.
http://www.ironicon.com.au/stringybarkckinvestigation.htm
http://www.ironicon.com.au/twohuts/images/locationmap.jpg
Many thanks to Bill and Carla for their generous time and
hospitality and above all the team that has strived to bring us
the truth. The group working on this are Linton Briggs, Bill
Denheld, Gary Dean, Kelvyn Gill, and Glenn Standing.
Added text which was missing from original
post.....thx Kel
Joe.D
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Edited by - Joe.D on 08/07/2009 12:45:34 PM |
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ChrisR
Advanced Member
Australia
161 Posts
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Posted - 08/07/2009 :
1:21:21 PM
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Hi Joe,
After reading the amount of work that you, Bill, Kel, Glenn,
Gary and Linton have done to research Stringybark Creek, I must
ask when is the doco coming out to rival what is going to be
shown on ABC this week?
Maybe you should ask Tony Robinson to come back and do the
correct story this time.
Good work. |
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Joe.D
Advanced Member
Australia
600 Posts
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Posted - 08/07/2009 : 1:38:03 PM
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G'day Chris,
I was not involved with the above crew.
My research into SBC was conducted by myself with the help of my
partner Mel(measuring etc). I had only spoken to Bill & now Kel....
this is my only involvement with the crew that brought us the
above research.
hee hee I doubt that their my be a rival doco.........but hey
you never know! Chris you may disagree with my comments Re:
being disappointed,however, each to thier own ;-)
Joe.D
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ChrisR
Advanced Member
Australia
161 Posts
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Posted - 08/07/2009 :
1:48:29 PM
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Joe,
Well I take back three quarters of what I said, but still a
great work undertaken.
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Joe.D
Advanced Member
Australia
600 Posts
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Posted - 08/07/2009 : 2:01:52 PM
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Hiya Chris
mate no worries wish I did take part in it though.....and yes
huge effort on behalf the crew. It may seem easy to sit back at
home and read all the avail text, but once on the field its a
different ball game, Kel, Gary, Bill, Linton and Glenn deserve
more credit.....Fantastic job guys & Thx
Joe.D |
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Sheila Hutchinson
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Australia
58 Posts
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Posted - 10/07/2009 :
12:18:53 PM
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Hi Joe and others involved in this research,
We are all aware that Constable McIntyre wasn’t regarded as a
credible witness. I wonder how many would have coped with the
traumatic ordeal and the aftermath of the Stringybark Creek
incident with a clear recollection of all that occurred.
I agree that there are many indicators that support my long held
belief that the Police Camp site is probably on the western side
of Stringybark Creek.
However, there is no doubt that the area that is currently
recognised, as site will remain as the given spot until it can
be absolutely proven the incorrect site.
It is rather easy to speculate where the Burman photographs were
actually taken as they could easily fit into any number of
locations in the Stringybark Creek Heritage area.
I have always thought that the photograph titled Police Camp,
Wombat Ranges. Scene of the Kelly Outrage., which appeared in
the Beautiful Mansfield booklet that was printed by the
Mansfield Courier in May 1897, was taken on the western side of
the creek, but I could be wrong !
It would not be the first time a photograph has been attributed
to as being taken in a certain spot when it was taken elsewhere
!!
Who knows, the eyelets from the police tent maybe found someday.
Wouldn’t that be a find ! ‘ Jeremy Smith says any site or
relic more than 50 years old is included under a blanket
protection order, with souvenir scalpers who disturb relics
liable for $60,000 penalties and even jail ’ Weekly Times
20/5/2009
So that rules out any unauthorised digs on the ‘ heritage
landscape ’ at Stringybark Creek !!
In the 1950’s., two farmers who lived in the Toombullup area
identified two separate sites as the Police Camp site. You’ve
guessed it; one was on the western side of Stringybark Creek and
the other was on the eastern side !
In the early 1960’s, Jack Healy, one of the farmers showed Ian
Janes the area which we now recognised as the Police Camp site.
It wasn’t until some 30 years later that Ian concluded it to be
the site where the police camped in October 1878.
Jack Healy was mentioned in the Woman’s Day article titled - In
the Kelly Country . . . FEELINGS STILL RUN HIGH by Helen Frizell
April 6 1964. Jack came to live in the Toombullup area in 1922.
On the 25th July 2001 Gary Dean pin pointed the spot .. High
Country Times article 24/10/2001. Many others have been adamant
that this is the spot.
I wasn’t there so I’ll continue to keep an open mind.
Happy Researching. Sheila.
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