This is a true copy of a forum debate about SBC where the Police were shot by the Kelly gang in 1878. These following 25 pages were lost when one of the participants complained to forum host ProBoards.com. Despite numerous efforts to have the whole forum re-instated by me, this topic was one of several threads on DEE's 'Ned Kelly Truth forum' that questioned the many mythologized elements of the Kelly story, and is the reason for much personal attack on those that may have alternative views of how Kelly history is recorded. Bill Denheld May 2014


Man stands at fireplace of one of two huts, the police tent stood behind where this photo was taken. The Kelly gang came from left of little hill above.


The Great Debate about Stringy-Bark Creek  
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Give it a rest Bill
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Post by Guest on Mar 12, 2014 at 9:23pm

Looks like Bill has lost the plot big bold words only shows his frustration that he cannot prove he has the right place. Questions have been put to him by Brian and Glenn has told him where he can by a copy of their report. Looks like he is about to take his bat and ball and run home to mummy again. Bill a little tip no one wants to believe anything that a arrogant poster such as yourself has to say whether you are right or wrong you are your own worst enemy debate the subject and stop being so arrogant with your posts towards others. Maybe then people will start believing you may have something to offer until then you will continue to bang your head against the might SBC wall.


 

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 12, 2014 at 9:41pm

More preaching.

No CSI SBC site.

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Post by Dee on Mar 12, 2014 at 10:31pm

In defence of Bill I would say he has put up a lot of material that supports his case. I would be surprised if there was complete agreement between all the various recollections and descriptions of exactly what lay where and at what distance and so on, so I am not put off by the fact that not everything fits neatly together . Picking holes in Bills theory doesn't prove the CSI case, so isn't it time we heard some more from CSI about their exact site and how their measurements and so on are a better explanation of the evidence than Bills?

Please don't just attack each other.

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 12, 2014 at 10:32pm

Brian, you wrote "A few weeks back I photocopied the csi's report [from slv]". You wouldn't have been allowed to photocopy it.

The CSI team have been photographed many times at SBC, but there are no such photos of others (such as yourself) and we are asked to believe what you say with no evidence:

* You know what you are talking about
* You have ever been to the SBC sites under discussion here
* You comprehend what is being explained

You are at pains to say how fair you want to be in your private researching. You don't say where that 'research' is leading. Do you intend to publish it, so we can critique your findings? Talk is cheap. I don't know who you are and whether you possess any research skills. You said of me that I was "Horrie aka Mrs Denheld". That was a bit rude and foolish, Brian.

So far, all you have done is criticise Bill while pretending to be impartial.

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 13, 2014 at 9:17am

Horrie, horrie, horrie, your such a horrid

Brian, you wrote "A few weeks back I photocopied the csi's report [from slv]". You wouldn't have been allowed to photocopy it. LMFAO. FYI I copied the report under their noses NO questions asked. 

The CSI team have been photographed many times at SBC, but there are no such photos of others (such as yourself) and we are asked to believe what you say with no evidence: LOL If thats how you feel bugger off dude. I don't see how a photo of me would change anything.     

* You know what you are talking about I certainly do. Do you? 
* You have ever been to the SBC sites under discussion here Dude chill out and take a happy pill. F@#*d up questions deserves a kick in the butt. Grow up or shut up.
* You comprehend what is being explained I find it very unlikely you do. Go back and try

You are at pains to say how fair you want to be in your private researching. You don't say where that 'research' is leading. Re-read my previous post 

Do you intend to publish it, FYI I will make it pubic at some stage.

Talk is cheap. Your seem to do a lot of it dude 

I don't know who you are Lets keep it that way, it's safer if you don't know who I am

and whether you possess any research skills. You can rest assured I'm doing well. No need for you to express any concerns from hereon please mind your own F@@@@ business

You said of me that I was "Horrie aka Mrs Denheld". That was a bit rude and foolish, Brian. Was it? show us readers a recent photo of you! or is it too close to home. A suggestion, google one.   

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Bill,

I will ask you the question once more at: stringybarkcreek.forumotion.com/ Also Glen, I'll like to ask the team a number of Q.s. Hope we can all have a a good clean debate without idiots interfering. 

 

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Post by bill on Mar 13, 2014 at 12:03pm

Brian wrote- 12 Feb, 9:23 am
Very well Mr. Denheld
Now explain to the readers (In simple terminology) where exactly YOUR spring can to be found? Does it flow all year round? I'm intrigued.


My answer -
Yes Brian, The Spring flows past the two huts site all year round, while a few hundred metres up the gully* you will find no running water at all. *(beyond the discharge point) Bill


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"Mr. Denheld,
Understood, or so it appears I do.
Is this the same body of water that flows to the east of the hut sites? more commonly known as "stringy bark crk"


Yes Brian, same body of water I already gave you the answer before-

"The Spring flows past the two huts site all year round, while a few hundred metres up the gully* you will find no running water at all." *(beyond the discharge point)

The SBC spring / creek runs from South to North.
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Post by Dee on Mar 13, 2014 at 12:48pm

Brian that last post of yours was decidedly un-parliamentary and I want you to avoid making any more like that in the future. As I say I don't want to delete Posts but I am still hoping it will be rare that I need to do so. Like you I Hope we can all have a  good clean debate without idiots interfering. And Horrie - please settle down.

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 13, 2014 at 2:00pm

I dislike being bullied and threatened, Brian.

I have crossed you off my Christmas Card list!

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 13, 2014 at 2:14pm

Horrie you are off everyone's Christmas list!
Brian has made some interesting contributions to this topic and asked sensible questions. That is a lot more than you have done.

You refused to prove you have ever been to SBC, let alone the rock piles and now you question Brian. There are two sets of rules here, one for you (and your other egos) and Bill and another for everyone else.

 

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 13, 2014 at 5:03pm

It is interesting when time is taken to flick backwards through a jumble of postings, and try to understand some of the posts and what they are saying.
I see Kelvyn has continually had to tell Mr Denheld about his very poor attempts to associate some of the names used here with what he refers to as pseudoes and I now get a funny feeling that Horrie (seems more appropriate to say Horrible) may indeed be a pseudo for the Denheld crowd or the leader himself. Horrie points out a pipe exists, Kelvyn says he and others could not find a pipe but then of course Mr Denheld launches into another rant about the pipe and how he will get a photograph for Kelvyn. Why couldn't a grown man like Horrie reply?
Mr Denheld also says the CSI pipe - does this mean that the pipe is where the CSI team have said there is a spring? I see that Kelvyn has explained how the road now has a water runoff diversion drain to send water from the spring's outflow across the road and run it off towards the Creek. This is without doubt the work of road maintenance people to ensure the road does not get rutted by water flowing over it (this water would be coming off the downward slope and if allowed to continue along the road make the road looking North pretty uncomfortable for drivers and of course mean road maintenance would become a problem for the shire council or whoever maintains the road.
I must also say that a spring is clearly near the CSI teams site and its a real spring; not this stupid concept that Stringybark Creek is a spring just because it disappears below ground at some point. Its as sure as hell, that the creek flows along its course from up at the Old Tolmie Road (which can become almost impassable at times due to water crossing it at the head of the creek, the water coming from the property on the other side of the old road. Its stupid to say that just because a Creeks water goes underground for part of the way that when the water comes back to ground level that this is a spring. An underground river or creek is just that and not a spring.
I read somewhere that Ned sent his brother to the spring to watch for the policemen . Jeez you wouldn't go to the lower ground to keep a watch, so the spring on the high side of Stringybark Creek Road fits perfectly.

 

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Post by bill on Mar 13, 2014 at 7:11pm

Good on you Kel.

It's all so amazing these non identities pumping away with great authority.

Carla and I are the only ones on this forum prepared to show we are real.
What are all these pseudos afraid of ? 

SBC - Crime Scene Investigators, put your 'Stuff Up' 

 

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Post by Dee on Mar 13, 2014 at 7:27pm

Karma kept saying I should be ashamed of myself Bill, and occasionally I do feel a little ashamed that I am not as fearless as you two. I feel I shouldn't be a "non entity" but then - well frankly some of the Kelly sympathisers are a bit scary.

Bill, would you call yourself a sympathiser?

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 13, 2014 at 8:51pm

I admire the Denhelds and the CSI guys for using their names too. On the other hand, there are traps for the unwary. A couple of the posters on a Forum I can't mention are identifiable by their workplaces. They are not abrasive in their posts, and are not vulnerable. But there are people like Bill who have been physically threatened and manhandled. Author Ian MacFarlane has been stalked and abused, and his family attacked. I'm interested in the location of the police camp, and other riddles in the Kelly story, but don't care enough to subject myself or my family to personal abuse, or threatening emails or 'phone calls. My real nickname is Horrie, but I am not well-known in the Kelly discussion and don't expect to get 'outed' just yet.

A word of warning though, Dee. Don't give out your email. Let's just say that some females have received unwanted emails, and leave it at that...

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 14, 2014 at 1:32pm

The silence of the hams.

I do hope the CSI boys are beavering away at a presentation for their site, and not just nodding off in their armchairs!

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 14, 2014 at 1:40pm

Why Horrie you can read it all on Bill's site. As he said:


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"The CSI @sbc report - for what I show is 90% of their final and if I show the rest it is even more ridiculous than the issue I show which is bad enough."

But then also said:

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"If we all continue to tell lies, what do we learn from history?"


 

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 14, 2014 at 4:03pm

Here you go again Bill.
"Good on you Kel.
It's all so amazing these non identities pumping away with great authority.
Carla and I are the only ones on this forum prepared to show we are real.
What are all these pseudos afraid of ? "
I certainly appreciate a positive word but again for the wrong reason I suspect.
But here you go again; you claim you and the missus are the only two real people.
You know Bill, again you sprout CRAP; get REAL. Why do you persist with such immature stuff; do you simply want to fill the pages of this forum with imbecilic unfounded mindless comment?.
No wonder the many people who remain anonymous (just as Horrie has pointed out)stay anonymous.

And Horrie, its a pity you seem unable to phrase questions in a civil manner.
The CSI team has presented their report to all the relevant authorities (a list was done recently on another forum by Poorflower) so I won't bother listing them again here.
Your two-bobs-worth adds nothing to the story. Please take a chill-out-pill and relax; you seem to be stressing out over our report which I have said can be obtained from the Library(s) or from the Glenrowan Cobb & Co shop(or can't you be bothered getting it?). I see Glenn has told you to get Denheld's stuff.




 

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 14, 2014 at 9:00pm

Kel, you said the other day "NO CSI TEAM MEMBER HAS ANY CONNECTION WITH POORFLOWER !!!!!!!!! "

How come your post today connects Pooflower's list (on another site) of "all the relevant authorities" that were presented with your report.

No connection? Hmnn.

...and why can't you post a summary of your report's finding here as has been begged for - for days!.

 

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 14, 2014 at 9:28pm

Horrie,

...and why can't you post a summary of your report's finding here as has been begged for - for days!.


  Please refer to my previous post.

 

 

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Post by Guest on Mar 14, 2014 at 10:22pm

Horrie,

If you are truly interested in how the CSI team have formed their conclusions please go to the SBC forum. link

Where people who participate have real names and identities. Hold meaningful discussions in a more structured and monitored manner.

Which is currently in process on the SBC forum

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Post by Guest on Mar 14, 2014 at 11:29pm

Glenn,

Your previous post (if you have a look) does not refer to the summary I asked for.

I don't want to see how the CSI team formed their findings. This thread is bursting with 'information' like that.

I just want a summary of your findings.

(I can't even go

 

 

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