Horrie
Guest

Post by Guest on Mar 29, 2014 at 3:52pm

Brendon, thanks a lot. Nice and simple. A great start.

I acknowledge your approximates, and that you do not speak for CSI.

Of course, we now need to see detail (and perhaps a few photos) of the CSI area. You said you had a photo of the spring.

Is the CSI spot an extension of what is now the the carpark?

Horrie
Guest

Post by Guest on Mar 29, 2014 at 4:21pm

Appendix 11 of the CSI July 2011 report shows the spring 50 yards from SBC Rd, and the police camp more than 120 yards from the picnic area.

Brendon, could you factor this into your reply, please?

Kelvyn
Guest

Post by Guest on Mar 29, 2014 at 5:44pm

Dee, I say this to you as pseudo Horrie is a dim-witted know nothing when he says:
"Ignore Kelvyn and Brendon's fake Trojan 'Warning' messages, Dee. The boards.net server handles incoming posts for viruses, etc.
Poor old Alex and Brendon don't realise their presence here is recorded by boards.net cookies each time they appear. So did FJ."

I do have some background in IT (actually some 30+ years) and I can assure you that a warning was generated indicating a suspicious piece of executable code emanating from this site. Perhaps Horrie-who-knows-all will assist you in ensuring that all material seen in this forum "placed there" by a link to another site (as Billy Boy is now showing users how to do so by the way) may well have embedded (and of course undetected by the hosting site due to lax security/virus checking there)code which is of the type I warned about earlier.
If I was out to create havoc I can do far better than a warning provided in good faith to you and the viewers.

Horrie the smart one has no idea I think, but perhaps he simply likes to show that he knows best.

Oh, and recent scurrilous comments in this forum have been referred on to constituents of the Beechworth, Glenrowan, Wangaratta and Benalla areas for their consideration. More to follow on this matter in due course.
;.
Persist i y t


Read more: nedkellytruthforum.boards.net/thread/18/great-debate-stringybark-creek?page=18#ixzz2xKZzkXcY

Horrie
Guest

Post by Guest on Mar 29, 2014 at 7:33pm

Looks like we're all still here, safe and sound, despite that "suspicious piece of executable code" blah, blah, blah. Lucky us!

Kelvyn, you are the undisputed 'Satchmo' for blowing your own trumpet loudly on this thread. No CSI police camp site info, though.

Don't worry too much about your scurrilous comments. The folks of the NE are pretty forgiving.

Horrie
Guest

Post by Guest on Mar 29, 2014 at 9:14pm

Actually, Kelvyn's post is worthy of deeper consideration as it illustrates his ability to continually obfusate and mislead.

His posts on this this thread show he uses this tactic all the time. Substitute 'spring' for 'trojan' etc. and you'll get the idea.

He insults me as a pseudo who knows nothing (line 1). He imputes Bill could be the source of imaginary embedded viruses in this forum (line 6).

He finally admits what I said, that boards.net checks posts, but fails "due to lax security/virus checking" (line 7), which is a slur on the hosting service.

So everyone is to blame except him.


(PS: I hope he hasn't silenced Brendon, who should be on the CSI team as PR Officer).

Brendon
Guest

Post by Guest on Mar 29, 2014 at 10:57pm

Nothing has silenced me Horrie and I am not connected to the CSI Team, just like that map I borrowed states it not connected to them, but sees more merit in their findings than Bill’s. I will lay my hat were it is most comfortable and that at the moment is with the CSI Team.

Horrie, your expertise in computer knowledge matches your knowledge (or lack of it), about SBC. Dee, as an Admin., you should take every warning seriously, as some of the most sophisticated government/company/internet/antivirus institutions have been hacked or fallen victims to viruses/trojans etc.

When it comes t “getting nasty” as you srared Horrie, that is one area at which you shine. It is you that keeps going off subject with snide and derogatory remarks. Seeing, Horrie, that you didn’t know what ‘derogatory remarks’ meant, try; disparaging, critical, insulting, offense, deprecating, belittling, all of which you have done. And now you pretend to be a computer expert and advising Dee on these matters. I think you should stick to your Nintendo.

Horrie
Guest

Post by Guest on Mar 29, 2014 at 11:14pm

Having got all that off your chest, Brendon, where is your photo of the CSI spring 50 yards from SBC Road?

Brendon
Guest

Post by Guest on Mar 29, 2014 at 11:29pm

I never said I had a photo Horrie, you are imagining things again. I do probably have one tucked away somewhere, but you would know what the sping looks like as you have been there, so you say.

Horrie
Guest

Post by Guest on Mar 30, 2014 at 12:08am

I DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHERE THE CSI THINK THE POLICE CAMP WAS - OR THE CSI SPRING. Why do you think I am asking???!?!?!?

(I said I have been to SBC several times in the last 20-odd years. I know where Bill's Two Hut site is).

Your borrowed map, which you claim is accurate, was helpful but does not correspond with appendix 11 in the July 2011 CSI Report.

You did not respond to my later question about the CSI police camp or the spring, or the disparity with the 2011 report.

Your crack "Horrie, is it true your father called you Sonny because you are so bright? Not!" had me in fits of bewilderment. Spelling?

Dee
Administrator

Post by Dee on Mar 30, 2014 at 6:18am

Brendon I thought your map lacked detail so I found this one from DSE Victoria which shows much more accurately the arrangement at the Picnic area. I am not familiar with the site but whose site is the one marked as "Kelly Gang and Police Shootout Site" ? Ian Jones? 

On your map you have the CSI Team site right beside the Picnic area and the spring at almost the exact same place. What is the actual distance between them? On your map it looks like it would barely be 50 meters which would make the idea of sending Dan 'back" 50 meters a bit ridiculous wouldn't it, if they were hoping he would spot the returning Police in time to warn the rest of the Gang at the site?

Brendon
Guest

Post by Guest on Mar 30, 2014 at 11:12am

Horrie, I said the map was approximates (as stated on the map), and to give some idea of the positions. I was hoping one of the CSI Team would comment as to those approximates, as they are far more familiar with their positions than I, but to my recollection the map appears pretty close, though the CSI spot and the spring are probably a bit further south than indicated. At the worst, it gives a better idea of where the points of conjecture are and a useful guide to the distances between them. The picnic area and car park take up large areas, so it would be hard to define unless you were using a certain point to measure from, which I have not done.

I was wondering when you would comment on ‘Sonny’. Although Sunny & Sonny are pronounced the same, they have different meanings. Sunny could mean very bright of brilliant (as in a bright/clever son), whilst Sonny is a term you would use to a boy you had little time for, or didn’t know the name of. e.g. “Go away Sonny”, or “Listen here Sonny!”

Dee the DSI map shows the Jones site. I don’t know exact measurement between Police Camp and Spring. Remember the spring is on higher ground where you can see to the south, but can’t see in that direction from the Police Camp because of the rise the spring is on.

Horrie
Guest

Post by Guest on Mar 30, 2014 at 12:31pm

The CSI spring is WEST of, and BEHIND the CSI police camp site when looking towards the Stringybark creek gully.

If Ned and the others had looked at the CSI spring, they would have been looking in the wrong (opposite) direction, wouldn't they?


(Having to explain a 'joke' always destroys the humour. My father barely survived Japanese WWII internment. You were not aware, but your 'joke' really p*ssed me off. I acknowledged the approximates and that you were not speaking for CSI at the top of page 19).

Just a jokey blokey
Guest

Post by Guest on Mar 30, 2014 at 3:12pm

Horrie, dear chappy, if you are going to try and quote stuff at least get it right.
Watching the going ons of this so called truth forum, I now will put my thoughts. The CSI report you seem to be quoting from or referring to with lack of accuracy is a fine well argued paper with a hell of a lot of stuff to weigh up in making a judgement about their claims. It seems to me that it will provide a sound base to get their site recognised.
I also enjoy the other forum of Stringybark Creek, which remains free of the rancour pushed here by a man who I would suggest is bereft of making logical and accurate rebuttal of the CSI material and simply resorts to the tirades and personal insinuations against people of good character and good diligence in the work they have done. It seems to me his real character is finally on display for anyone to make judgement about his demeanour.
Clearly if not already a persona non gratia in the NE is making sure he will be.
Horrie I have watched your postings with interest and boredom when you carry on like a pathetic ranter.
Seems you have direct access to Dee when you say you and her were able to sort out the deleted postings which are mentioned by you and Dee. How did you ask her to delete them as I find no posting asking for this to be done?? I see Dee (an ex of an author I have been told?) occasionally having a bit to say which looks very much like presentation of someone else who's use of this forum to denigrate and impugn people of good character is a reflection of the man he isn't.

Ned has never uttered words such as you say he did Horrie.
The fact of the matter is that he got Dan Kelly to go to the spring as it is on higher ground than the land where the camp was pitched, and as you would know if you have in fact ever been to the area which you claim to done would command a view towards the north to east of the creek's passage along the low point where it flowes. Any sensible bushman, as Ned was clearly, would place a lookout on the highest ground in the near vicinity and which would still be close to Ned and the other two men should a need arrive to regroup quickly - which in fact became the case.
Dee tried to defend Bill's spring by saying they would have been near to the creek's starting spring, shown in recent posts in other forums, and so would go to that one from the site of the two fireplaces. Unfortunately she clearly has never been near the place as between this spring and Bill's site would have to be at least 500 metres or more through, I would assume, heavily timbered and dense bush,. This is a no brainer as being a ludicrous situation.
And I must say Horrie, your attempt at "humour" which Bill congratulated on was just another outing of your lack of knowledge of the North East area. Lake Mokoan has been dry for years, something anyone with any knowledge of the North East would be well aware of and which is clearly seen on a road trip along the Sydney to Melbourne highway.
I have also been to Stringybark Creek and can confirm two things which you are struggling to understand. The spring of the CSI is real, the road has a water channel where the CSI people say it is.

I observe a cabal of 3 in this forum. No names, no pack drill but any one spending a few minutes looking at older posts will know who the 3 are.
And finally, may I humbly suggest you take up the offer of Brendons for a plane ride to get over here and see for yourself.



fd pymodertaedSEEsaY THYE Y THER Y

Dee
Administrator

Post by Dee on Mar 30, 2014 at 4:34pm

I am going to assume that Jokey Blokey is you Kelvyn, but whoever you are thanks for the Post. I enjoy your posts and the crankiness and sledging that goes on doesn't worry me at all. In fact a lot of the time I enjoy it - when its good humoured and not nasty. But there's a couple of responses I want to make just to clarify the situation for you and anyone else who reads your post.

Firstly I have never met Horrie, or ever had any other communication with him other than through these Publicly seen Forum pages. The reason you can't find the Post he asked me to delete is because I deleted it AND the Post he made asking me to delete the first one! I couldn't see the point of leaving the second one. Once deleted they have gone for ever and I can't undelete them to show you. I have no idea who he is where he lives or what his motivation is in relation to this debate. As a matter of fact I have NEVER met ANY OTHER KELLY SYMPATHISER, and none of my friends are interested in the topic and they think I am stupid to be wasting my time doing this!

You are right - I have never been to Stringybark Creek - but you can see SBC Road on Google Street view!! -  I have passed through Beechworth and Glenrowan a few times but that was before I became interested in the Kelly Saga.

Secondly, I am not related by marriage or in any other way either now or at any time in the past to that particular author that Fitzy and Karma got so excited about a week or so ago. I am not Carla. I have never complained to Facebook about anything Fitzy ever posted there about me ( Dee ) or about anyone else. All my posts are entirely my own work, my own ideas and thoughts and I am not an agent for Bill or any other party in any debate. 

Lastly, regarding this interminable debate about SBC : I have seen the debates on other Forums that go back years, and the same people have been arguing it back and forth with various others that come and go. Personally I like Bills site. He clearly knows a heap about the place, is thorough to the point of obsessional, he is inventive and imaginative in the way he approaches the problem, he seems to be tireless and endlessly patient in putting up with the often malicious barbs that are fired at him - and yes he fires a few back at times - but mostly he seems good humoured and patient. None of that by itself means he must be right, but there is enough ambiguity and uncertainty in what is known that in my view at least, none of the many little holes that people want to point out in his argument are necessarily fatal to it. The Spring v Creek argument is an example - an argument that has continued for several YEARS about a term  that was used ONCE by Ned Kelly! The CSI case suffers from not being accessible but could be as credible, and I suspect its authors are probably as obsessional, as knowledgeable and as imaginative as Bill. For me there's no animus in the discussion.

What I think needs to happen is for a Truce to be declared. No side is ever  going to  Surrender as both are convinced of the Rightness of their cause. What the Protagonists should do is declare their respect for the integrity of the other team, make their Best Case and leave it at that. Let Peace break out!

I am thinking of making an announcement that if this debate reaches 25 pages, I will end it. Not many people find it as interesting as this little "cabal" does. I will declare a Draw, and you will be forced to start thinking about other facets of the story instead of always discussing this one small detail. There's so much more that could be discussed - but so far my attempts to get other discussions happening haven't succeeded. I still think the truth about the story is more important than the truth about the site.

What do other people think?

 

Locoweed
Guest

Post by Guest on Mar 30, 2014 at 7:40pm

Kelvin's sentence "fd pymodertaedSEEsaY THYE Y THER Y" probably made a helluva lot of sense to hippies/herb-smokers.

Horrie has never quoted Ned. I bet he will now!


 

BugTraq
Guest

Post by Guest on Mar 30, 2014 at 8:18pm

Power freak Kelvin is trying to use corrupted 'full-disclosure' - a moderated mailing list for the *detailed* discussion and announcement of computer security vulnerabilities: what they are, how to exploit them, and how to fix them. The Nationalsozialismus used gestapo to track down malefactors. Kelvin places fd codes, which is very close to defamation.


fd pymodertaedsaYSEE THYB Y THER X

Horrie
Guest

Post by Guest on Mar 30, 2014 at 9:56pm

Looks like you're busted, Kelvin. Tutt, tutt.

I wish you spent more time fixated about proving the CSI spring exists, than undermining this forum and decent posters like me!

Evian springwater
Guest

Post by Guest on yesterday at 12:33am

Ned's ghost: Kelvyn, if you put down a bore - no I don't mean you - you will eventually strike water and prove Bill and Horrie and many other non-believers completely wrong.

Kelvyn: Ned, my dear chappie, what a capital idea! I'll get Brendon, Glenn and Pooflower digging right away.

Ned's ghost: You are a patient man, Kelvyn. I would've blown their brains out long ago.

Kelvyn: I only look like an old f*rt, Ned. They have greatly underestimated my vast persuasive powers and black-ops skills.

Ned's ghost: I didn't know you were a computer geek like your crazy FB mate. That 'Persist i y t' and 'fd pymodertaedSEEsaY THYE Y THER Y' had me chuckling like a mad chook. I thought Pooflower had all the weird brainteasers totally sewn up.

Kelvyn: Pooflower and Brendon are our plucky next generation of CSI experts. It will probably take a thousand years or more to persuade a few misguided people that the CSI police camp site is 100% authentic.

Sacred Ground
Guest

Post by Guest on yesterday at 2:04am

Irrespective of where the SBC police murders actually took place, former Victoria Police Chief Inspector Ralph Stavely wrote in 2012:

A group of police was ambushed and
mercilessly slaughtered because they dared
to search for a man accused of shooting at
a policeman. The murderers then plundered
the policemen’s bodies before taking to
the bush.

That is why the whole place should be regarded as sacred ground - a monument to duty, service and courage - not the glorification of four cruel young thugs.

alex
Guest

Post by Guest on 20 hours ago

I don't believe it.

Almost a page of postings has gone through without someone being totally offensive.

Either peace has broken out .... or everyone has nodded off through exhaustion.

Whatever