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Post by Dee on Mar 6, 2014 at 1:07pm
Yes I would
like to know how he did it too!
By the way Bill, its Poor Flower!
And I don't think the CSI blokes are wasting our time but some
others are for sure!
That image SBC36.jpg is an amazing construction Bill.
Fascinating. It contains an enormous amount of information and
seems to fit so many of the pieces together. Its something that
you can spend a long time poring over.
I would like to know what happened to the bullet from the
Carbine found by Terry Scott? How do you explain it being found
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Post by Guest on Mar 6,
2014 at 1:17pm
Apologies all
round. This argument has been going on so long I am confused
sometimes about who did what and when, particularly when quoting
someone else. It is often very unclear. But thank you Glenn and
Bill for setting me straight.
The map came from the pixmaster url for that .jpeg. Loading the
page location with the .jpeg name added after a forward slash
didn't work. Then I found the pixmaster file by drilling down.
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Post by Guest on Mar 6, 2014
at 1:19pm
Bill when you
can figure out where the tent was pitched at your site I may
listen to you.
I have come to realise that I have been debating a bloke who
cannot make sense out of his own conclusions.
So for now I will happily continue painting my house.
But will leave you with this thought – the further back the
camera goes the higher the slope needs to be. Perhaps you should
consider this when you next produce a "properly" scaled image at
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Post by Guest on Mar 6, 2014 at 1:25pm
Pixmaker! |
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Post by bill on Mar 6, 2014 at 4:22pm
Lets try this from my laptop.
www.ironicon.com.au/images/sbcmappictures.jpg
Looks like the trick is only to
insert
www.ironicon.com.au/images/sbcmappictures.jpg after the
http:// in the insert pop down window
Horrie, I own Pixmaker and host a
lot of pictures from there, so it would appear it is the method
of inserting the
www.---- .jpg after the http://
do not remove the http:// from the pop down insert window, just
add the www. -- - - - - - -
Well Dee, looks like you may have to insert a few images for me
in other postings. Are you able to do that for me?
For Glenn, you can see clearly where McIntyre placed the tent -
this co incides with my detailed base map on which the views are
placed. Look for the Yellow markings on both the map and the
Scene which was drawn with the help of McIntyre himself. Is that
good enough. DO YOU see the tent there ? Its been on the base
map since 2010.
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Post by Guest on Mar 6, 2014 at 5:00pm
And on
and on it goes.
SO here again it becomes necessary to ensure the record (for
what it is worth if you have the time to flip flop between forum
pages and postings some relevant to the topic and others simply
tit-for-tat crud (although BD seems to think that the “history”
of who did what way-back-then adds any meaningful words to the
TOPIC and persists with this way of rubbish words).
And Horrie you seem to be either a clone or are trying hard to
emulate your idol.
HERE WE GO:
Horrie: “So you must mean a logging tramway (and you must know
tramway expert and author Norm Houghton). Why didn't you say
so?”
Try mentioning Peter Evans – why didn’t you mention him in your
question?
Peter is the author of a two volume “A Study of historic sawmill
and tramway sites in the North East Forest Region Victoria
(excluding Box- Ironbark Area)” .
Available at the Department of Natural Resources (Now Department
of Primary Industries) Knowledge Resource Centre. Two volumes
Ref: 333.7516099455 EVA.
It includes the work done at Stringybark Creek.
And more drivel from Horrie:
"I've spent the whole evening seeing how Ian Jones triumphed
over Bill and CSI in getting his wacky site approved by DSE
officials who were easily fooled.
The CSI site (or, rather, the Linton Briggs site) was presented
by CSI in 2009"
A whole evening – well done Horrie but as your words give no
indication of what you did then try this so there is no
misinterpretation by you:
You need to read the CAE Ned Kelly Seminar papers Presented on
13 and 14 November 1993 (at Beechworth) for a full understanding
of how Ian Jones arrived at his conclusion as to the site
subsequently developed as the site now known to be wrong.
Get yourself a copy from the Council for Adult Education or get
the CSI report and read Appendix 1.
Ian Jones's site is shown with a purple triangle; Linton
Briggs's (CSI) by green triangles and Bill's Two Huts site by
yellow triangles.
Don't ask me why the triangles. The amateur sleuths from CSI
never explained what they meant.
So... I have had to do what CSI today can't do - provide an
illustration of their site!
The CSI Team started their work in 2009. We did not present
anything, in fact the contents of early work were to be
restricted to CSI (Which included BD at the time) by not
publically providing any link to a site of WIP. Didn't happen
though! The report of the team’s work was FIRST GIVEN TO
GOVERNMENT AGENCIES in JULY 2011and only in PDF hard copy with a
CD.
The issue of triangles and the drawing you say you post to
provide an illustration of their site because you have had to do
what CSI today can’t do has now been addressed by Glenn but to
make sure you understand (your analytical and investigative
skills are indeed pathetic) – THE TEAM SPENT MANY DAYS POST THE
SHORT TIME WHEN BD WAS INVOLVED WITH THE TEAM AND IF YOU MUST
POST ERRONEOUS STUFF THEN ITS TIME YOU GOT TO THE STATE LIBRARY
or get yourself to BDs place so you can read his copy of a very
early draft bereft of much material that was included in the
July 2011 report.
And again from Horrie:
"why a small handful of people have spent six years
back-stabbing him for his thousands of research hours in rain
and scorching suns, and patient presentations.
Why is his Two Huts site so disturbing to the Ned Neanderthals?
Why have former mates like the CSI geriatric chumps turned
against him? Why do useless time-wasters like Pooflower and
Sarah attack him relentlessly. Many of Bill's noisiest critics
have never been to the Two Huts site".
More dribble – research hours – oh how little he did to go and
find all of the material that the CSI team was ultimately able
to uncover (and still to this day ignored by BD) which provided
many important clues to enable the CSI team to have no doubt
that the team had correctly established the true site – as have
many others who have undertaken their own assessments (and who
also persevered in rain and scorching suns.
Ponder why it seems BD stands alone in his claim. Yes he has a
few adherents who peddle (on blind faith alone often) his stuff
and there are others who have turned away in favour of the CSI
site.
And yet more from Horrie:
"I see the triangles in the 2009 CSI presentation are photo
views. What photos are these? If, in relation to Bill's Two Huts
site, they are the Burman photos, they are showing the wrong
direction. Misleading information always is nearly impossible to
undo".
Enough said above. Ask BD what photos are these. Well spotted
Horrie, misleading information you say – well I repeat ask BD to
whisper in your ear.
Now a word from BD:
"The StringyBark Creek Investigation webpage started out as the
vehicle for the team's findings back in July 2009".
Yes it did but not for long - see above; and I just make an
observation in general about web pages and the web page/url/ and
content therein. Lets say the “webmaster” / admin or similar is
the only way content can be inserted or deleted or changed at
the whim of the gatekeeper, then it becomes somewhat a moot
point about the “agreements” of content.
More from BD:
"He was obviously there LOOKING down - overlooking the police
tent from the little hill".
The little hill does not fit within the total descriptive
panorama recorded by the reporter.
Try looking carefully and then understanding the survey results
that I have mentioned earlier in this forum topic and it becomes
obvious (to all except those who cannot accept that a
professional survey is irrefutable primary evidence) that the
only area that meets the survey profile is to the North of the
rock piles and corresponds with the notation on a map of 1884 -
Scene of the Police murders by the Kelly Gang. Just SIX years
after the event!
The map is in McMenomy’s book.
So he was obviously there LOOKING down from the high point to
the Immediate South of the police camp site. Its not a “little
Hill” but a fully formed high point along the traverse section
shown by Survey (and observation if you are at SBC)
And:
"PS, Dee, we are not wasting our time here, only with these CSIs,
Poor flours and confederates. It all reminds me of what poor old
Copernicus had to endure with his proposal the Earth going
around the Sun. Poor old Copernicus had to wait forty years
before Galileo was to prove his theory".
The flat earthers were also around and it took a long time to
get them to see the light (although perhaps some today can
continue to prove the hypothesis. He still can’t bring himself
to correctly acknowledge Poorflower even though you made your
thoughts very clear and plain earlier.
And the first bit of good stuff from Horrie.
"The map came from the pixmaster url for that .jpeg. Loading the
page location with the .jpeg name added after a forward slash
didn't work. Then I found the pixmaster file by drilling down.
That worked immediately".
You perhaps need to whisper in BDs ear that you as have many
others been able to for quite a while can get into and peruse to
their hearts delight the stored stuff. In other places this
would be considered a potential security matter as there are
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Post by bill on Mar 6, 2014 at 6:12pm
Kelvyn, do you feel better now?
You wrote under this helpful entity
-" And Me Yet again'
5 March at 4:22 pm
Kelvyn, you don't need to be shouting with all those capitals,
we can hear you ok.
I don't have the books that you mentioned by Norm Houghton or
Peter Evans about Tramways along SBC.
But you say they are provable that -
" PROVABLE BY BEING
ABLE TO LOCATE THE REMAINS OF
A SIGNIFICANT TRAMWAY THAT
PROGRESSED ALONG THIS SIDE BETWEEN THE ROAD RESERVE AND THE
CREEK AND STILL THE REMAINING"
Are you saying there were tramways along the western bank of SBC
between the SBC road ? Have you seen them yourself?
Then you harrang Horrie with-
THE CSI TEAM HAS NEVER REFERRED TO
THE LOCATION OF THE POLICE
CAMP AS THE KELLY TREE SITE
WHICH YOU FLOG AS BEING A TRUTH ! STOP
ACTING LIKE A FOOL.
Kelvyn, really, are you now saying
your site does not include the Kelly tree in your site?
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Post by bill on Mar 6, 2014 at 6:35pm
Dee,
Terry Scott was running his detector around SBC with a mate
years ago well before I became interested in the area. He was
looking for the brother of that 16 oz nugget that young Mr
Archer had found on top of the Granite at SBC.
During the filming of the Glenrowan Inn, archaeology, Terry
turned up and was interviewed by TV Chanel 9 Prime. Shortly
after I asked him if he would show me the bullet and where he
had found it. He said, oh I'm not prepared to say ! I said why
not? he said because I don't want people to know. I told him of
my interest and he had read my story when in 1985, I had
detected some bullet lead at Kelly's creek and referred him to
my webpage but I did not know i would within that year be
conducting the search for the dreaded police camp site there,
and leading up to that time we basically were all guided by the
work of Ian Jones, his site on the eastern bank of SBC. We all
basically believe this was the site, except perhaps maybe it was
at the two huts site?
Months later I contacted Prime9 but they said they could not
help with his name- but the lady remembered that he was a hair
dresser in Shepparton. Several phone calls to hairdressers in
Shepparton, could not help. As it turned out one of our
neighbours was the owner of the Shepparton News and I asked him
if there was any way their staff could track this chap down.
When I told them the story they became quite interested to
published the story. Someone at Shepp News knew of a Barber just
out of town, because he had seen the bullet there for show and
tell to his customers. They gave me his name and phone No and I
arranged to meet Terry at SBC.
I had made sure not to reveal about our research to Terry. We
met and I said where do we go ? He said follow me. He trekked us
through the bush over and around like following his track onto
the east bank from where he remembered, and then crossed a
swampy creek and stopped near a large forked swamp gum. Here is
where it was- down in this mud. This site is about 30-40 m from
where I had found the fireplaces in 2002.
People will say, oh yes how co-incidental for it to be found
there, but I have witnesses to verify all this, namely my friend
Bill Tauschke and my wife Carla who followed every step of the
way.
People will say, oh, Constable
Scanlan was going up the creek and the Kelly's were shooting
down the creek, so why was that Spencer rifle bullet down the
creek, and not up near the police camp?
It is my thought and explanation that while Scanlan did fire one
shot that passed through Ned Kelly's beard, it was then that all
shots were aimed to Scanlan's direction and when he was hit
under the arm pit, this threw him around, off his horse and fell
clumsily on his all fours and accidentally discharged his rifle
as he landed. So the bullet may simply have buried itself into
the soft mud at an oblique angle.
Gordon Burne, the Spencer rifle expert sometime later attended a
meeting at SBC with a small group of about 20, he gave us a
talk, and showed us his Spencer rifle that he said was the exact
same model as was later issued to the Vic police force , and he
verified the bullet Terry had found could only have come from
that model Spencer rifle. Gordon is a highly respected
collector.
Bill
www.ironicon.com.au/twohuts/images/spencercarbinebullet2326.jpg
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Post by Dee on Mar 6, 2014 at 9:11pm
I have deleted a post by sarah
from this thread, in keeping with my intention expressed
elsewhere that inappropriate Posts are not going to be tolerated
any longer.
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Post by Guest
on Mar 6, 2014 at 9:28pm
Sarah, you are on
your last warning from Dee...
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Post by Guest
on Mar 6, 2014 at 10:17pm
Bill, how on earth did you
manage to stay awake during those early CSI meetings?
They must have been interminable.
Now Kelvyn and Glenn, the next time you
sit down at your ancient teletype machines - imagine each word
is costing you a dollar. Kelvin, you're up for $1280 because
that's how many words you wasted in your long-winded earlier
comment.
Make sure the 'Irony'
button is set to off, and the 'Be
Brief'
button is on and flashing brightly.
Write yourself a note. Fold it so you can't help seeing it as
you prattle along. It should read "Stick to point otherwise
Bill, Dee, Horrie and others will be all over me like a vd rash!
Take prozac like good boy" |
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Ooops! Those cracks about vd and
prozac were way outa line! Bad me. But I hate it when my family
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Post by sarah on Mar 6, 2014 at 11:01pm
So
Dee, shifting the goal posts again. Looks like Horrie is really
running the show not you. Dee freely lets you deride others.
Hmmmm!
And While you are at it;
Horrie, you state Mar 6, 2014 0:41:49 GMT 11;
“Many of Bill's noisiest critics have never been to the Two Huts
site.”
Who are these critics you claim have never been to the Two Huts
site? I am intrigued at your self-proclaimed knowledge, even
though you state you have trouble following this debate and have
to read things slowly. Please name these charlatans so we are
all aware of their mischievous narratives.
Just help you out, I have written this slowly to help you
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Post by Guest on Mar 6, 2014 at
11:08pm
I don’t get
it. I saw Sarah’s post and I thought she asked Horrie a
reasonable question. I do however find what Horrie posted
offensive.
Just my opinion.
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Post by Guest on Mar 7, 2014
at 12:02am
Brendon,
what is so offensive about saying "Sarah, you are on your last
warning from Dee..."? That's a fact, not an opinion.
"Sarah" has posted on this forum 54 times in a shrill outpouring
of negativity, hate and bile. "She" has bagged Dee endlessly,
slagged the MacFarlane book and heaped criticism on Bill. Not
bad for a nobody with no positive contributions to make!
Dee has the patience of a procession of saints.
(I bet Madame de Farge's 'Fitzy Red-Alert Meter' is vibrating
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Post by Guest on Mar 7, 2014
at 11:04am
Dee
sorry to fill up this forum with lengthy posts. You are trying
to provide a forum where it would have been appropriate for the
topic to be the raison d’ètre and so postings would stick to the
point and refer to this forum topic. But this seems beyond some
(other forums have suffered a similar slide to irrelevance or
oblivion from a similar contagion.
Now for yet more stuff needing to be responded to:
Bill “ Are you saying there were tramways along the western bank
of SBC between the SBC road ? Have you seen them yourself?”
read what I said carefully the tramway I referred to was between
the road and the Creek, ie east of the road, so yes it can also
be described as west of the creek and to the west side of the
road.
I pointed out that there was a significant tramway running some
distance along between the road and the creek – ie on the
eastern side of the road. Remnants of the tramway were what
became a well worn “path” that went passed the now No 3 Kelly
Tree.
The tramway path is pictured in Evans work (and a pic included
in the CSI Team’s report from the Evans work – with copyright
acknowledged!
The team also spent considerable time across the road on its
western side as we were also aware of another tramway some 200 –
500 metres to the west (These tramways joined the main tramway
down around Ryan’s Creek and they serviced the Toombullup Mill
and the Tatong mill).
YES we found and followed the bed of this western tramway as a
matter of interest.
The tramway was also explained by the late Charlie Engleke who
provided information about a loading area for logs to be placed
on tramway carts and where the path of the tramway was and where
it moved to higher ground (where sections of toay’s SBC road now
are. The position of one of the loading “mounds” can still be
pointed to for “proof”.
Bill again, read my words carefully (or do you simply jump
before you comprehend English statements? Quote “Kelvyn, really,
are you now saying your site does not include the Kelly tree in
your site?”
I never said anything of the sort as you would undoubtedly know
from all the material you have seen (including an early draft of
the team’s report and subsequent postings in other forums over
the past years) The team has always been able to demonstrate
that the existence of the third and current “Kelly tree” can be
shown in the background of early pics and can be seen in the
background – there is a distance between the police camp site
and this tree. So yes it is in the background BUT THE SITE HAS
NEVER BEEN REFERRED TO BY THIS CAPTION – SEEMS IT WAS YOU WHO IN
YET ANOTHER FEEBLE ATTEMPT TO RIDICULE THE TEAM’S SITE YOU USE(D)
this caption. THE TEAM HAS CONSISTENTLY REFERRED TO THE CAMP
SITE AS THE CAMP SITE.
Keep it up if you must Bill, let’s ensure that it becomes more
and more difficult for viewers to get through what is the
“important stuff” and the “Noise” you, and Horrie (has he
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Post by Guest on Mar 7, 2014 at
11:08am
To Glen,
Gill, Sarah ("wink wink") & others.
Why do either of you bother?
Can you not see you have ALL been enticed by Denheld. This is
not the place to state your case.
Denheld, Gill is no fool. However I feel I cannot say the same
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Post by Guest on Mar 7, 2014
at 1:34pm
Horrie, I was
referring to your post regarding the CSI team, though since you
mentioned it;
Brendon, what is
so offensive about saying "Sarah, you are on your last warning
from Dee..."? That's a fact, not an opinion.
It would appear that Sarah is right that you are running this
forum. You post as a Guest, so what gives you the authority to
make threats to a member as Sarah stated she was? Why not answer
her question? It is a simple question to a statement you made
about this thread and relates to this thread. I don't see the
problem. Your jibes at her are not adding to this debate, only
distracting from it.
Brian I agree with your sentiments. This whole debate looks
contrived.
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Post by Guest on Mar 7, 2014 at 1:46pm
I wish I had
taken a camera when I visited SBC 20 years ago. The area today
is much different to what I remember.
Past the then parking spot near the Kelly tree, the dozed/graded
road swung east over the creek missing the hilly rise. Soon it
reached a flat dozed/graded road running North-South whch ran
parallel to SBC and which had a painted sign Stringybark Creek
Road. The connecting road that somehow crossed the creek has
disappeared altogether. The present Stringybark Creek Road with
the larger car park and toilets must have replaced the one I saw
further east.
I keep returning to the point that the area has been one of
constant change. Bill assured us that the general topography is
the same, but obviously there have been considerable lesser
changes. How these affect the observations and comparisons shown
in this thread I can only guess. Bill's site being less
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